When we last met Martha Wainwright, in 2008, she told us that her
first and most constant influence was French chanteuse Edith Piaf. A
year and a half later she's taken that influence and run with it.
We're in north London to chat about the impending release of her
superb, ambitious collection of Piaf covers, Sans Fusils, Ni Souliers,
A Paris, or its assumed title of Martha Wainwright's Piaf Record. "Well, that's what everyone would call it anyway," she says.
It's a brave departure after the success of her two self-penned
album releases. "Actually it wasn't my idea. It was the producer Hal
Willner's idea. In fact he proposed it three or four years ago -
before my second album I Know You're Married But I've Got Feelings
Too, but I wanted to record that album first. And I wasn't sure about
doing a record of Piaf songs because the film La Vie En Rose was
coming out and I didn't want to attach myself to that project and look
like I was on that bandwagon."
Piaf's canon bears close study by anyone attempting to do it justice.
"Hal told me to listen to the music and he sent me something like
300 songs by Piaf on an iPod." So how did she whittle that down to the
15 tracks that make up the album? "Hal and I knew we wanted to
focus on the songs that were perhaps lesser known. I knew I didn't
want to do Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien or La Vie En Rose because I felt
that story had been heard and told, and there were all these other
songs that were incredibly remarkable, and that also perhaps told the
story of her life in a different way through the variation of the type
of song that she sang, whether that was a song about La Resistance or
about street life, or whatever other elements that sort of reflected
her own life.
Martha Wainwright: Dis Quand Reviendras-Tu? live at Vicar Street, Dublin, 2008
"I had wanted to make a French album at some point, but we broke
these songs at a couple of tiny shows at a place called The Stone,
which is a tiny little loft space in the East Village in New York. And
I realised that Hal had a point in making it just Piaf songs because
there was a focus and a conciseness that shows. If I'd done French
songs from different eras it could've got lost and lacked in
precision. By trying to pick lesser known songs it gave the project
more glue."
There are a couple of Piaf's more famous songs. L'Accordeoniste was
included, as was La Foule "because it's just so fun. To be honest I
didn't really choose that one - we couldn't help but do it."
But the bulk of the album is made up of lesser known tracks. The
title, Sans Fusils, Ni Souliers, A Paris is a line taken from one of
them, Les Grognards. Meaning 'barefoot without a gun in Paris', it has
a ring in both languages. Which of the other songs does she think
stand out? "I like Les Blouses Blanches which is sort of her going
mentally crazy and is sort of a reference to white blouses which in
turn mean whitecoats in a psych ward. And I like Marie Trottoir which
is just a little ditty about an old hooker."
She likes some more than others though. "My favourite song is
Soudain Une Vallee, which is totally different sounding. It was
originally an English song with terrible lyrics - Suddenly A Valley,
or Suddenly In A Valley, or maybe Suddenly, There Is A Valley. I don't
know. I found it recently and it's absolutely dreadful. But I really
like the French lyrics. They're very simple and maybe that's why I
like them and the way they express the melody."
On hearing the album, the reproduction is so immaculate that it may
take the listener by surprise when, at the end of the third song, a
round of applause kicks in and it's revealed that it was recorded
live. "Actually my record company were going to take out all of the
applause - they said that live albums don't sell. But it was really
fucking hard to do because every song is done in one take and I'm not
letting people think it's a studio album."
"What of course ended up happening is that
Piaf's ghost gets in there." - Martha Wainwright
In common with much of the project's gestation it was made on an intimate scale. "It was recorded in Dixon
Place, a very small experimental space downtown in New York that only
sits about 80 people. If it was a studio album it would sound even
better, because I would have fixed things. So they took out the
applause for the first couple of songs, but then we had to reveal," she
chuckles, "because I wanted people to be impressed".
Having already alluded to the fact that she was weary of
piggybacking the Oscar-winning film La Vie En Rose, she reinforces her
desire to distance this project from that one. "Actually I've never
seen that film. This is terrible but I haven't gotten round to it and
at the time I was sort of dubious of the idea of a sort of romantic,
sexy film about Piaf, because she was not that attractive, and I
thought that Marion Cotillard was not a proper casting. Although since
then I've heard it's absolutely great from people that I trust."
"Also, my father (Loudon Wainwright
III) walked out of the film. He's a film snob who only watches
rare Japanese cinema. So I thought there might be something wrong with
the film. But the reason he walked out was that he thought it was so
overly typically French with the red wine and the smoking or whatever
and I thought to myself 'well, actually, that's how the French are'.
He just couldn't accept the fact that the French are really that
French."
As such, she says, "the album is not a reflection of the film. I think her name
has come up now, and it was time for someone to shine a light, not
only on Piaf's life, but also on the oeuvre, on the music, and to pay
tribute not only to Piaf, but also to the writers of the songs. My
brother did a tribute to Judy Garland which was
about him connecting with her. This is more about me just singing some
Edith Piaf songs."
How does she define the difference? "I was just moved by these songs and wanted to sing
them as myself, although what of course ended up happening is that
Piaf's ghost gets in there. So many of these songs were written for
her specifically and reflect her story. Even though I don't try to
sound like her, I can't help it and sometimes hit notes that resonate.
I'm tipping my hat to her."
Martha Wainwright: Adieu Mon Coeur, live at Vicar Street, Dublin, 2008
Having married her producer and bassist Brad Albetta in 2007, she
takes the opportunity to drop a baby-sized bombshell when explaining
what's coming up next for her. "I'll take the Piaf record to the
Barbican on 11th November, and then the Pigalle Club a couple of weeks
later and then I'm gonna wait 'cos I'm gonna have a baby in January
so I can't go on the road much past December."
Well, no. And at this point, as she sits back looking relaxed and
casual in a mess of choppy hair and stripey leggings, her discrete
baby bump becomes suddenly noticeable. She seems happy and positive
and taking it all in her stride as "in springtime hopefully people
will still be interested and we'll come out and do festivals.
Hopefully Glastonbury. I'd like to take Piaf to Glastonbury. I've gone
for the last seven years in a row and camped and all the rest of it.
Practically died each time."
But first she goes to the Barbican. Along with the Royal Festival
Hall, the Palladium and the Royal Opera House, she's played the most
impressive venues in London. "It's the sign of a good
agent. I've jumped on the backs of other great artists in my family,
or of Judy Garland or Piaf, and I have worked hard in this town. I
have also played most of the small bars as well. I've been coming here
a long time."
There's one more of the big London concert houses to tick off. "Of course I'm going
to be doing the Royal Albert Hall this
Christmas" she exclaims, alluding to the A Not So Silent Night, where
she'll be joining forces with brother Rufus and her mother
Kate McGarrigle to bring their family Christmas show to England
for the first time.
"The last three times we've done it at Carnegie
Hall and that's been very New York centric with guests like Laurie
Anderson and Antony and Emmylou Harris. We invite
people who we generally know well or who we have sung with - it's not
just a star fucking thing. There's genuinely a connection and so we
wanted to bring it to London. It's about singing together and because
we like people to be incorporated into singing all the group stuff as
well and bring them in to have the living room feeling. People have
always said that my mum and my aunt's shows are sort of like walking
into their living room."
So who can we expect at the Royal Albert Hall? "Shlomo will
be there. And Guy Garvey because we love him and he's a great
singer. Boy George, because Rufus and him have a connection
over the years. French and Saunders. And there are a couple of people
that I can't announce because I'm not allowed to". Good surprises? Big
surprises? "Yes, big surprises that are worth getting excited for".
All in all, Martha's getting ready for a hell of a busy time.
Surely she's not thinking further into the future than this album?
"Well, actually I started writing my next record without realising it
this summer. I've been working with ballet choreographer Christopher
Wheeldon. I composed some stuff and he put a bunch of my songs to
dance. I composed a 25 minute song cycle for him to choreograph to."
From solo artist to collaborator, did she enjoy the change of working pattern?
"I really liked the process," she says, "and thought that maybe this might be
the beginning of the next record of these sort of larger chunks of
music. It's perhaps a bit more cinematic and a little less 'woe is me'
personal. So come December, after the Christmas show, and when I have
time to sit around," she says optimistically, "I'll start up with that
again and start to write for the next record, with a movement based
inspiration."
You can't help but admire her work ethic, embracing
challenges and throwing herself into whatever project she attaches
herself to. Martha Wainwright is not one for standing still.
Martha Wainwright's Piaf album Sans Fusils, Ni Souliers, A Paris is out now through Republic Of Music. She takes the Piaf show to the Barbican, London, on 11th November.