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"It's the way we write", he says, "I send him bits of
music and he picks out the ones he likes, and
sometimes I have to put them back together in a
different order. It's the best way to do it, and
you'll have to excuse me but if I don't do it now,
I'll lose where I am."
Several dominant eleventh chords later, and he's
done, seemingly satisfied with his morning's work.
Anderson, meanwhile, sits out in the open studio,
dreamy acoustic guitar riffs and snatches of vocal
drifting through the control room monitors, taking him
far away from a rainy Surrey afternoon.
Anderson's health has not been good of late, with
sinus problems confining him to hospital at times, but
the eyes still sparkle and the mid-Atlantic twang
talks enthusiastically of the material the pair are
currently working on. "We started off by doing small
acoustic sets in the middle of all the other stuff,
and they became popular so we expanded them, sometimes
even to an hour. This tour is an extension of that,
with Rick just playing piano, and me on guitar. We've
got four new songs plus all the other pieces."
His keyboard cohort is particularly enthusiastic
about the new arrangement. "I like revisiting, and
sometimes it's difficult to do that within a band
format. There isn't one piece we perform in the same
way ("there's a reggae version of Time And A Word"
chimes in Jon), and everything has been revisited to
give it a proper acoustic feel. There are moments of
head explosion though, and there are some songs where
verses have been cut, with some of them will
reappearing unexpectedly!"
Warming to his task, Wakeman notes that "What's
pointless is doing acoustic versions of the song."
Anderson nods in agreement. "As a band that's OK, we
heard each other very well, but when you get on stage
everyone's on eleven. Acoustic is good, with me and
Rick going through the songs, it's a lovely dance."
Rick takes over, the two duetting now as if in
performance. "You're not just rearranging, it's like
taking a book, which can become a stage play, a radio
play. That's what we've been doing with this."
"If I had
a choice, I'd just play piano, but it's far more
difficult than playing keyboards. It's one of the
ultimate forms of musical expression." - Rick Wakeman
Whilst Wakeman made his name playing electric
keyboards, his first love remains the piano. "If I had
a choice, I'd just play piano, but it's far more
difficult than playing keyboards. It's one of the
ultimate forms of musical expression."
Anderson's challenge, meanwhile, has been to keep
his instantly recognisable voice fresh. "I've just
been lucky over the years, with not so much screaming.
The best thing that ever happened to me was ear plugs,
I don't have to push the voice so much. I sing at home
every day."
Classical music continues to exert a strong
influence on the pair. "As you grow older you tend to
listen more to the structure of how things are
created" says Jon. "I'm listening to the Rite of
Spring at the moment, it's just amazing." This is
clearly something close to Wakeman's heart - after
all, he was groomed on classical piano. "All the
Eastern European composers were absolutely amazing,
what they were doing was clever, and in a lot of their
music they would hide what they really thought.
Tchaikovsky got a lot of his real feelings poured out
in the music. Benjamin Britten's another classic
example, it was a way of releasing the inner self. I
think there was a period from the turn of the century
to the mid 1950s where there was this outpouring. We
never had that - we had Harold Wilson!" "I guess our
revolutionaries were The Beatles and Bob
Dylan," adds Anderson, the more thoughtful of the
two today.
The talk turns towards the newer bands around, and
Wakeman takes up the baton. "I championed Muse
six or seven years ago, when the first album appeared
it was absolutely brilliant. I love Muse,
Air, Tool, the Mars Volta too. To
their credit you listen to a track and then you have
to go outside and say "what the fuck is this?!" My
daughter went to see them and they basically did a jam
for an hour! There's so many different types of
progressive rock, there always have been." "It's
cross-pollenisation" adds Anderson, "we always
listened to Buffalo Springfield and were
learning from Vanilla Fudge."
Wakeman has a few concerns about the industry
climate these bands find themselves in however, not to
mention the plight of Yes artists and their
contemporaries. "People didn't expect there to be
rockers in their fifties, sixties and seventies. Back
in the 70s there wasn't any of that. Most record
companies were run by music fans, and now it's a lot
more corporate - you can't blame them for that though.
The problem is the vice-presidents are thirty five or
so, they don't know about us!"
"There's two jobs
I'd like actually, one is to be an MEP, the other
would be to manage the seniors PGA within a record
company." - Rick Wakeman
Rick's mind is on permanent overdrive. At the
moment he has two ideas in his head. "In golf, people
found that the players were no longer physically able
to compete but were still very good, and so they
created the seniors tour. I think there should be
something like that in rock music. There's two jobs
I'd like actually, one is to be an MEP, the other
would be to manage the seniors PGA within a record
company. In 10, 20 years' time there's gonna be
another batch of 50, 60-somethings. But the
young musicians will always be evolving; they've
started to realise now that they can make good
business by giving their own stuff away."
Rick, in demand as an after dinner speaker, can
switch to anecdotes at the drop of a hat, and while
draining an instant coffee recalls an amusing incident
with Elton John. "We had this chat where he was saying
to me, "I've always wanted to write a piece of music
that's really substantial, like a big piece, and I
thought I'd cracked it - and it clocked in at three
and a half minutes." To which I responded, "Well I've
always wanted to write something that's a really good
three minute pop song, and I thought I'd cracked it -
but it was eleven minutes ten!"
He reflects on his new found popularity as a
grouch. "Sometimes because of Grumpy Old Men they just
want me to go along and moan. But in reality I'm
thoroughly boring now, I have six girls and two boys,
both of whom are musical - Oscar's a drummer. I've
calmed down a lot over the years, but I am getting
married for the fourth time early next year - I like
the cake, you know."
And now there are photos to be posed for and
numbers to be rehearsed. As I leave the enduring image
is of Anderson giving a cheery wave, while Wakeman
gets expansive on the piano. The two seem blissfully
happy with their lot - a musical married couple.
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